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‘Disturbs me’… Jaap Stam says Liverpool fans have got something totally wrong about Istanbul

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‘Disturbs me’… Jaap Stam says Liverpool fans have got something totally wrong about Istanbul

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‘Disturbs me’… Jaap Stam says Liverpool fans have got something totally wrong about Istanbul
Wed 13 December 2023 09:30
James Brooke
Former AC Milan defender Jaap Stam has opened up on the 2005 Champions League final loss to Liverpool.

The final in Istanbul is perhaps the greatest Europe’s premier club competition has ever seen. With the Reds 3-0 down at half-time to a super Milan team, things looked done and dusted. But led by Steven Gerrard, Liverpool famously roared back.

The comeback was made all the more impressive given the gap in quality between the squads of the two teams. But asked on the Stick To Football podcast whether Milan underestimated the Reds, Stam – who played at centre-back for Milan that day – refuted the suggestion.

“When you played in a Champions League final you would normally expect probably stronger opposition in some ways, we had only finished fifth in the Premier League. You must have been supremely confident,” asked Jamie Carragher, who was in the Liverpool XI.

“I think that’s a bit how Liverpool fans approach the story from your point of view,” replied the 51-year-old. “In terms of maybe we think Liverpool is a weaker side or a have weaker players. That is not how we approached it. We approached that game very professionally, as you might think, with all the players in that team, all the ability in that team, all them know exactly what can happen in football.

“So if you are a young player and you are looking at team sheets, then you can think okay we are going to beat them. But an experienced player who had been playing so many years at the top level is not going to think going into a game and underestimate the opposition. So, our meeting with our manager, Carlo Ancelotti, we never did that.”

Stam makes Istanbul claim
Over the years, the final in Istanbul has of course passed into legend. One of the stories of that day is how the Milan players believed their job to be done with the score-line at 3-0.

Gerrard famously took issue with what he saw as disrespect from midfielder Gennaro Gattuso in particular heading into the dressing rooms at half-time.

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However, although this is an accepted version of events from a Liverpool perspective, Stam has strongly refuted that anything of the sort happened.

“Even during, there has been talks I have heard and it really disturbs me, half-time people are saying we were already celebrating and stuff like that,” says the Dutchman. “Can you imagine players of this level going into a dressing room? Okay you’re 3-0 up but thinking we’re going to celebrate. It’s done.”

Jaap Stam
Time has a funny way of changing things in our minds. All of Gerrard, Carragher and Stam were there on May 25th 2005 and all of them will have seen similar things. But, funnily, they all seem to remember it differently.

In fairness to Stam, all of what he is saying makes total sense. Part of the reason why Liverpool felt they had little chance was because of the experience in the Rossoneri’s team. Players like Cafu, Paolo Maldini, Andrea Pirlo, Andriy Shevchenko and Stam himself had been there and seen it all. Why would they think the game was won?

But such occasions can also sometimes get the best of you. Gerrard was adamant that celebrations were heard from the Milan dressing room. That same group of players let a 3-0 lead slip. Something must have happened to them at half-time.

Whatever Stam says, it will never change the truth of the matter, anyway. This will always remain one of the greatest days in the history of Liverpool FC. And it will always sting for Milan.

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‘Have a look at this’ – Howard Webb explains error in decision against Liverpool as VAR audio released
Liverpool came from behind to beat Crystal Palace in the Premier League on Saturday afternoon

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Howard Webb believes the right decision was made to award Crystal Palace a penalty against Liverpool on Saturday afternoon, though has admitted the match officials should have stopped the game far sooner.

The home side were given a spot-kick during the second half after VAR reviewed footage of a Jarell Quansah foul on Jean-Philippe Mateta inside the penalty area. This was reviewed as the match carried on following the incident, before play was eventually paused one minute and 45 seconds after the initial incident for referee Andy Madley to review the footage.

A check of the pitchside monitor from Madley followed and the eventual decision that followed was a penalty for Palace. PGMOL (Professional Game Match Officials Limited) chief Webb agreed with this call, but conceded there should not have been a near two-minute delay for action to be taken.

Offering his view on the situation in the latest edition of ‘Match Officials Mic’d Up’, he said: “I think that’s a very clear penalty-kick situation. It was not seen by the on-field referee in real time, and the VAR’s there to check for that significant contact by Quansah into the back of Mateta, who’s the only one to touch the ball.

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“Play continues, of course, because the referee waves away the penalty appeal. As the game’s continuing, the VAR is checking the angles available to see if there is that clear and obvious error, and recognises that there is one. You then hear him say to the referee, ‘I’m checking the APP [attacking phase of play].’ At that point, he’s already formed the opinion that he’s going to be sending the referee to the screen. But he needs to check the phase of play before the penalty to make sure that there’s no offside in the build-up, which would negate the award of the penalty, or another offence by the attacking team.

“I think a better way to do this would be to stop the game at that moment, as soon as the VARs recognise that a review is going to be needed for the penalty,” stressed Webb. “That stops anything else happening in the game, it gets us away from this feeling that it’s taking a long time to check this. And I think, going forward, that’s what we’d rather see – the game being stopped as soon as VAR recommends… or identifies a review is needed to be recommended. And then we send the referee to the screen while the APP’s being checked in that moment. It would make the process a bit more efficient.

“It’s described as significant contact in the calf by Quansah; it’s impactful. Mateta plays the ball, and yeah, a clear penalty, a clear and obvious error not to give the penalty. Sometimes, we’ll see contact less than that, that’s less impactful – it’s a bit of a sliding scale, but at some point, it’s going to be an offence, and this is certainly, in my opinion, one of those.”

Audio between the match officials regarding the penalty incident:

VAR: Possible penalty.

Ref: Don’t see anything there, I don’t see anything.

VAR: Just checking possible penalty.

Ref: Thanks mate.

VAR: The ball is played by the attacker, then the question is whether the extent of that contact sends him to ground, because I think he is kicked.

VAR: Have you got another angle?

RO (Replay Operator): Just looking for you now. This is probably going to be the best one, from this side.

VAR: You’ve got no other angle?

RO: I’ve got a slightly wider one I could show you at full speed, maybe?

VAR: Ok. Just go back to GDS. Just have a look at this. The attacker plays the ball. It’s that contact that kicks that right leg.

AVAR (Assistant VAR): Yeah.

VAR: What are you seeing?

AVAR: Yeah, exactly the same as that.

VAR: So I’m seeing the attacker play the ball and a significant kick to the calf, which sends him to ground.

AVAR: Yeah.

VAR: Do you agree?

AVAR: Yeah, I agree. He trips him. I mean, whether that then makes him go to ground but, agree.

VAR: Mads [Madley], stop the game, stop the game, stop the game. I’m going to recommend an on-field review for a potential penalty.

Ref: So I’m awarding a penalty and no further discipline, yeah? Happy with that?

VAR. Confirmed, confirmed.

Ref: Yeah, thank you. OK.

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Andy Robertson is expected to make his return from a long-term shoulder injury in the New Year, with the Liverpool left-back making “daily progress” in recovery.

Robertson has been sidelined since mid-October after dislocating his shoulder in Scotland’s 2-0 loss to Spain, with his injury requiring surgery.

The 29-year-old has so far missed 12 games as he undergoes his rehabilitation, with Kostas Tsimikas stepping up in his absence along with Joe Gomez and Luke Chambers.

While he is due to miss the remainder of the year and therefore at least five more fixtures, Robertson is on course to make his comeback in January.

The Mail‘s Lewis Steele reports that the Scotland captain is “on schedule” to return next month, having already resumed running outdoors at the AXA Training Centre.

Robertson is said to be making “daily progress,” with his recovery work “split between treatment and strength work on the injured shoulder.”

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Liverpool play five more times in December and then have clashes with Newcastle in the Premier League on New Year’s Day and Arsenal in the FA Cup on January 7.

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Either way, unless there is a setback for Tsimikas or even Gomez or Chambers, Jurgen Klopp is unlikely to rely upon Robertson to start until he is fully fit.

Klopp already received a major injury boost last week when Alisson returned to full training and then made two crucial stops to help ensure Liverpool’s 2-1 victory over Crystal Palace.

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‘He’s not…’ – Dermot Gallagher disagreed with one big decision from Liverpool’s win on Saturday
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Dermot Gallagher believes that the officials got one big call wrong during Liverpool’s 2-1 win over Crystal Palace on Saturday.

The Reds were trailing 1-0 with 15 minutes of normal time remaining when Jordan Ayew – who’d previously been booked – was shown a second yellow card for impeding Harvey Elliott on the halfway line.

Speaking on Sky Sports News‘ Ref Watch segment on Monday morning, the former Premier League referee believes that the Ghanaian’s foul wasn’t worthy of the second booking which saw him depart prematurely.

When asked if there was enough on it to warrant a yellow card, Gallagher replied: “I thought not. All I can think is the referee thinks Ayew is breaking a promising attack, which he’s not.”

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Taking the incident in isolation, Ayew knew he was doing in tripping Elliott, and it probably warranted a yellow card in and of itself.

However, the first booking Andy Madley had shown to the 32-year-old – for stopping Virgil van Dijk from taking a quick free kick – was harsh, so the referee had made a rod for his own back by the time the Palace attacker committed the offence which saw him given his marching orders.

Neither incident seemed like much to merit him being sent off – even combined they were no worse than Cristian Romero’s stamp on Callum Wilson yesterday, which saw the Tottenham defender shown yellow rather than red.

Some may argue that, having already booked him, the referee could’ve let Ayew off with a final warning for the foul on Elliott, although then he might’ve faced questions as to why he didn’t give a yellow card which would’ve been warranted more than the first one he’d shown.

The rights and wrongs may continue to be discussed, but what’s beyond doubt is that the Ghanaian’s dismissal was a turning point on Saturday, with Liverpool seizing upon the one-player advantage to score twice and salvage victory from the jaws of defeat.

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